Forum Index > Chat > 6 August - Aniversarea atacului de la Hiroshima

#0 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-05 14:50:00 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks during World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States of America under US President Harry S. Truman. On August 6, 1945, the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, followed on August 9, 1945 by the detonation of the "Fat Man" nuclear bomb over Nagasaki. They are the only instances of the use of nuclear weapons in warfare. In estimating the number of deaths caused by the attacks, there are several factors that make it difficult to arrive at reliable figures: inadequacies in the records given the confusion of the times, and the pressure to either exaggerate or minimize the numbers, depending upon political agenda. The United States Department of Energy estimates that, at Hiroshima, the death toll from the immediate blast was roughly 70,000, with additional deaths occuring in the time soon after the explosion and in the decades that followed. The figures for Nagasaki are slightly less.  Other estimates vary widely,  and are as low as 74,000 for Nagasaki. In both cities, the overwhelming majority of the deaths were civilians. The role of the bombings in Japan's surrender, as well as the effects and justification of them, has been subject to much debate. On August 15, 1945 Japan announced its surrender to the Allied Powers, signing the Instrument of Surrender on September 2 which officially ended World War II. Furthermore, the experience of bombing led post-war Japan to adopt Three Non-Nuclear Principles, which forbids Japan from nuclear armament. Inherently immoral A number of notable individuals and organizations have criticized the bombings, many of them characterizing them as war crimes or crime against humanity. Two early critics of the bombings were Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard, who had together spurred the first bomb research in 1939 with a jointly written letter to President Roosevelt. Szilard, who had gone on to play a major role in the Manhattan Project, argued: "Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?" A number of scientists who worked on the bomb were against its use. Led by Dr. James Franck, seven scientists submitted a report to the Interim Committee (which advised the President) in May 1945, saying: "If the United States were to be the first to release this new means of indiscriminate destruction upon mankind, she would sacrifice public support throughout the world, precipitate the race for armaments, and prejudice the possibility of reaching an international agreement on the future control of such weapons." On August 8, 1945, Albert Camus addressed the bombing of Hiroshima in an editorial in the French newspaper Combat: "Mechanized civilization has just reached the ultimate stage of barbarism. In a near future, we will have to choose between mass suicide and intelligent use of scientific conquests[...] This can no longer be simply a prayer; it must become an order which goes upward from the peoples to the governments, an order to make a definitive choice between hell and reason." In 1946, a report by the Federal Council of Churches entitled Atomic Warfare and the Christian Faith, includes the following passage: "As American Christians, we are deeply penitent for the irresponsible use already made of the atomic bomb. We are agreed that, whatever be one's judgment of the war in principle, the surprise bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are morally indefensible." In 1963 the bombings were the subject of a judicial review in Ryuichi Shimoda et al. v. The State. On the 22nd anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the District Court of Tokyo declined to rule on the legality of nuclear weapons in general, but found that "the attacks upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki caused such severe and indiscriminate suffering that they did violate the most basic legal principles governing the conduct of war." New York City: An anti-nuclear weapon display in Tompkins Square Park on August 4, 2006In the opinion of the court, the act of dropping an atomic bomb on cities was at the time governed by international law found in the Hague Regulations on Land Warfare of 1907 and the Hague Draft Rules of Air Warfare of 1922–1923 and was therefore illegal. As the first military use of nuclear weapons, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki represent to some the crossing of a crucial barrier. Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC wrote of President Truman: ”He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species. It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity." Kurznick is one of several observers who believe that the U.S. was largely motivated in carrying out the bombings by a desire to demonstrate the power of its new weapon to the Soviet Union. Historian Mark Selden of Cornell University has stated "Impressing Russia was more important than ending the war in Japan." Takashi Hiraoka, mayor of Hiroshima, upholding nuclear disarmament, said in a hearing to The Hague International Court of Justice (ICJ): "It is clear that the use of nuclear weapons, which cause indiscriminate mass murder that leaves [effects on] survivors for decades, is a violation of international law". Iccho Itoh, the mayor of Nagasaki, declared in the same hearing: "It is said that the descendants of the atomic bomb survivors will have to be monitored for several generations to clarify the genetic impact, which means that the descendants will live in anxiety for [decades] to come. [...] with their colossal power and capacity for slaughter and destruction, nuclear weapons make no distinction between combatants and non-combatants or between military installations and civilian communities [...] The use of nuclear weapons [...] therefore is a manifest infraction of international law." John Bolton, former US ambassador to the United Nations, used Hiroshima and Nagasaki as examples why the US should not adhere to the International Criminal Court (ICC): "A fair reading of the treaty [the Rome Statute concerning the ICC], for example, leaves the objective observer unable to answer with confidence whether the United States was guilty of war crimes for its aerial bombing campaigns over Germany and Japan in World War II. Indeed, if anything, a straightforward reading of the language probably indicates that the court would find the United States guilty. A fortiori, these provisions seem to imply that the United States would have been guilty of a war crime for dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is intolerable and unacceptable." Although bombings do not meet the definition of genocide, some consider that this definition is too strict, and that these bombings do represent a genocide. For example, University of Chicago historian Bruce Cumings states there is a consensus among historians to Martin Sherwin's statement, that "the Nagasaki bomb was gratuitous at best and genocidal at worst." Historical accounts indicate that the decision to use the atomic bombs was made in order to provoke an early surrender of Japan by use of an awe-inspiring power. These observations have caused some commentators to state that the incident was an act of "war terrorism". Michael Walzer wrote, "... And, finally, there is war terrorism: the effort to kill civilians in such large numbers that their government is forced to surrender. Hiroshima seems to me the classic case." This type of claim eventually prompted historian Robert Newman, a supporter of the bombings, to argue that the practice of terrorism is justified in some cases. Militarily unnecessary Those who argue that the bombings were unnecessary on military grounds hold that Japan was already essentially defeated and ready to surrender. One of the most notable individuals with this opinion was then-General Dwight D. Eisenhower. He wrote in his memoir The White House Years: "In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives." Other U.S. military officers who disagreed with the necessity of the bombings include General Douglas MacArthur (the highest-ranking officer in the Pacific Theater), Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (the Chief of Staff to the President), General Carl Spaatz (commander of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific), and Brigadier General Carter Clarke (the military intelligence officer who prepared intercepted Japanese cables for U.S. officials), and Admiral Ernest King, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, Undersecretary of the Navy Ralph A. Bard, and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet. "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. "The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, after interviewing hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, reported: "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." What was originally the Hiroshima Prefectural Industrial Promotion Hall has now been turned into the Hiroshima Peace Memorial. The atomic bomb exploded almost directly overhead.The survey assumed that conventional bombing attacks on Japan would greatly increase as the bombing capabilities of July 1945 were ...a fraction of its planned proportion... due to a steadily high production rate of new B-29s and the reallocation of European airpower to the Pacific. When hostilities ended, the USAAF had approximately 3700 B-29s of which only about 1000 were deployed. Had the war gone on these and still more aircraft would have brought devastation far worse than either bomb to many more cities. The results of conventional strategic bombing at the cease-fire were summed up thusly: "...On the basis of photo coverage, intelligence estimated that 175 square miles of urban area in 66 cities were wiped out. Total civilian casualties stemming directly from the urban attacks were estimated at 330,000 killed, 476,000 injured, and 9,200,000 rendered homeless." General Haywood S. Hansell General MacArthur has also contended that Japan would have surrendered before the bombings if the U.S. had notified Japan that it would accept a surrender that allowed Emperor Hirohito to keep his position as titular leader of Japan, a condition the U.S. did in fact allow after Japan surrendered. U.S. leadership knew this, through intercepts of encoded Japanese messages, but refused to clarify Washington's willingness to accept this condition. Before the bombings, the position of the Japanese leadership with regards to surrender was divided. Several diplomats favored surrender, while the leaders of the Japanese military voiced a commitment to fighting a "decisive battle" on Kyūshū, hoping that they could negotiate better terms for an armistice afterward. The Japanese government did not decide what terms, beyond preservation of an imperial system, they would have accepted to end the war; as late as August 9, the Supreme War Council was still split, with the hard-liners insisting Japan should demobilize its own forces, no war crimes trials would be conducted, and no occupation of Japan would be allowed. Only the direct intervention of the emperor ended the dispute, and even then a military coup was attempted to prevent the surrender. Historian Tsuyoshi Hasegawa's research has led him to conclude that the atomic bombings themselves were not even the principal reason for capitulation. Instead, he contends, it was the swift and devastating Soviet victories in Manchuria that forced the Japanese surrender on August 15, 1945. Victimele supraveţuitoare a ataculului: copii, femei, bătrăni, civili, toate mutilate de mâinile "iubiţilor noştri" americani: Editat de către BlackCross la 2007-08-05 15:12:06 Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte 1 2 3 4 5 << Precedenta      Următoarea >> #51 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 02:33:47 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #47 Andrusa, ce a facut Chisinaul impotriva Stateor Unite? nimic ! asta e forum , vorbim la tema , tu ai floodit facindune observatzie! Eu activez pe tema asta din cauza k ii face o imagine proasta US-ului , nimic impotriva japonezilor , ei mie la fel imi plac ca orice natzie. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #52 by jake (inginer mtc) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 02:57:27 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] USA sux, Japan sux, Russia sux, Moldova sux, Romania sux - iaca asha. si doarma in pace victimele razboiului ! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #53 by vict90 (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 09:20:34 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #43 marius55555, BlackCross e Japanese addicted Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #54 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 10:11:38 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #46 AzerothX, "... BlackCross aici tu ceva incurci , USA sau G.W.Bush? ..." - draga eu absolut nimic nu incurc. Ce Vietnam? Poate sa-ti arat poze cu victimile arse de vii cu napalm, sau poate soldatii americani cu coliere din urechile saracilor Vietnamezi sau poate copii ce se nasc cu disabilitati din cauza chimicatelor folosite in razboi? #45 marius55555, situatia economica se inbunatateste nu deaceea ca undeva e SUA dar deaceea ca lumea munceste, exemplu elocvent: China, mai sunt intrebari? #47 Andrusa, +1. Dar vad ca oamenii abereaza, asa e in Moldova... Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #55 by kaskader (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 10:26:06 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] Лично моё мнение!!! американцы зная о том что может быть нападение повли себя как самоувереный мастер спорта по какому нибудь виду боевых искуств!! типа: " а мне пофиг пусть их будет хоть мильён тока мой вид заставит их наложить в штаны", после получения серьёзного удара им как и любому человеку (государству ) надо себя реабилитировать в глазах обществености. а что делают в таких случаях человек собтрает всех своих друзей знакомых (в данном случае бомбу) и в перёд на этих скажем так не сильных противников!!! в итоге погибло много народу и сто и с другой стороны!! но самое страшное что это многомилионное убийство оправдывается и это вдалбливается нам в головы через фильмы!!! и особено через индивидумов которые желая показать свой очень развитый тнтелект изрекаются что то типа " вы ещё не доросли чтоб это понять". Да я не дорос до того чтоб понять что убиство это хорошо, не важно что является причиной убийства!!! да немцы убивали миллионы невинных людей, но чем лючше тот кто делает тоже самое прикрываясь непонятно чем!!! лично для меня нет никакой разницы между Сиалиным, Гитлером и Труменом!!! П.С. для тех кто решит написать типа "открой глаза", "иди читай" и т.д и.т.п. не тратьте силу на нажимание клавишь при печатаньи!!! еслизнаете много вам плюс!!! считаете себя всезнайкой? я за вас рад так держать!!! это мое мнение и оно не зависит от ваших знаний!!! #46 AzerothX, можно узнать откуда такая ярая защита ЮСЭй? ничего личного мне интересно мировозрение таких людей!!! без обид я не пытаюсь тебя спровоцировать иди ещё что то!!! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #56 by k2b13 (Soul Survivor) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 10:39:03 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] USA paliubomu o rulit si o sa ruleasca pina nu o sa sara planeta de pe orbita Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #57 by VAYPER (TUT™ | ГлАмУрНыЙ пОдОнОк) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 10:58:14 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] Atita lumea a fost chinuita din cauza la P....I estia de americani !!! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #58 by Zuker (Poliglot) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 11:04:16 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] Veşnica pomenire jertfelor. A fost război, Japonia prima a început cu atacul de la Pearl Harbour.Americanii singur nu au prea bănuit rezultatul, a fost un experiment devastator. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #59 by tramadol (tabletcă turbată) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 11:14:18 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] a fost strasnik. 1 de reculegere. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #60 by RoarPride (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 11:24:46 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #0 RIP for those people..............dar acum respect Japonia pentru totul ce ea face...masini...roboti......everything.............the most developed country in the world........ThE first Of ThE first.............shi anime tot la ei au aparut inca un +1 Americosa cei mai sucks people in this fucking world.... Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #61 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 12:45:26 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #55 kaskader, +1 Nu sunt total deacord dar cuvintele tale sunt corecte. Principalul sunt oamenii care au suferit si ceea ca multi nu au dus raspundere de suferintele pricinuite lor. #56 k2b13, tu cum erai retardat asa ai si ramas... #60 gunoi, yep, Japonia s-a ridicat din ruine, si sunt acum pe locul 2 in lume, intradevar un popor demn de respect! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #62 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 12:50:34 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] of.. atita critica impotriva celor ce ne ajuta in prezent(anume pe noi, cu ajutor umanitar). Nimeni nu pretuieste asta. dar cum se spune - "nemultumitului i se ia darul". Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #63 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 12:51:56 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #62 marius55555, cine mah te ajuta? De unde asa mituri? Statul american te ajuta cumva? Exemple. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #64 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 12:55:55 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #61 BlackCross, pentru ca tot americanii au investit in ea. The Vietnam War, also known as the Second Indochina War, the American War in Vietnam and the Vietnam Conflict, occurred from 1959 to April 30, 1975 in Vietnam. The war was fought between the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the United States-supported Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). The result of the war was defeat of the Southern and American forces, and unification of Vietnam under the communist government of the North. The U.S. deployed large numbers of troops to South Vietnam between the end of the First Indochina War in 1954, and 1973. Some U.S. allies also contributed forces. U.S. military advisers first became involved in Vietnam in 1950, assisting French colonial forces. In 1956, these advisers assumed full responsibility for training the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. President John F. Kennedy increased America's troop numbers from 500 to 16,000. Large numbers of combat troops were dispatched by President Lyndon Johnson beginning in 1965. Almost all U.S. military personnel departed after the Paris Peace Accords of 1973. The last American troops left the country on April 30, 1975. Dupa fapta shi rasplata , era razboi in vietnam , americanii erau aliatzi cu vietnamul de sud , mai ales k luptau shi impotriva comunismului , au facut ce trebuia. Eu iata pentru ce tzin cu america , luptatorii impotriva comunismului. la momentu` dat numai eu au o putere imensa pentru asha tip de lupta. #63 BlackCross, pe mine m-a ajutat , mi-au dat o bursa de invatzamant acolo. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #65 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:00:04 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #63 BlackCross ajutor umanitar(bucate pentru internate si scoli de la sat, imbracaminte pentru copii,etc.), si desigur ajutor in valori banesti. Am impresia ca sustii mai mult Japonia decit patria proprie. dar de ce nu-ti aduci aminte de greutatile petrecute la noi(ex: foametea din 46-47) ??? ceea ce spui tu e un absurd. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #66 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:03:31 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] NEW INFO , North Vietnam a pornit asta! shiau facut-o cu mana lor cind au atacat vasul american Maddox , dupa care SUA s-a implicat!!!!! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #67 by TerrorSquaD (http://) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:06:16 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #54 BlackCross, 2, in China este un % foarte mare de investitii americane acolo oamenii is foarte ieftini in sens k nu le plateste mult pe lucru, pe asta si sa ridicat economia P.S respekt pentru Americani si Japonezi 2 natiuni care le respect cel mai mult. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #68 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:11:47 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] BlackCross ori eshti un fanatic japonez , ori ai in cap prea multa propaganda despre US (de rau) , eu spre exemplu respect ambele natziuni , Japonia pentru istoria medievala shi america pentru curajul shi ambitzia ei. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #69 by ursumarius (User) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:14:22 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #39 AzerothX, 1)pearl harbor era baza miltara 2)bomba atomica nu trebuie folosita impotriva oamenilor 3)nici nu se compara numarul americanilor ucisi cu numarul victimelor din japonia chiar cu mult timp dupa explozie tu esti orbit de americani Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #70 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:21:31 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #69 ursumarius, lol , e baza militara , da vrei sa spui k americanii o pronit razboiul? 2.atunci ce folos are bomba atomica? atunci a fost o demonstratzie de putere+obligarea japoniei la predare. 3.defapt au murit mai multzi americani in pearl harbor decit japonezi in hiroshima , populatzia hiroshimei reprezentind 3/5 din armata alocata la pearl harbor. mai informeazate , mai intreaba de oameni. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #71 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:22:43 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #64 AzerothX, "... #63 BlackCross, pe mine m-a ajutat , mi-au dat o bursa de invatzamant aco ..." - aha, ca tot pentru ei sa lucrezi, bine, recrutare de forta de munca din alte tari, ca americanii sa traiasca mai bine. #64 AzerothX, "... Eu iata pentru ce tzin cu america , luptatorii impotriva comunismului. la momentu` dat numai eu au o putere imensa pentru asha tip de lupta. ..." - care comunism? in lume comunism propriuzis nu mai doar in afara la Korea de Nord, si nu, nu-mi spune ca Cuba si China e comunism ca nu e asa. #65 marius55555, "... Am impresia ca sustii mai mult Japonia decit patria proprie ..." - patria mea e SUA!? Geez ce ridiculozitati scrii! #65 marius55555, "... dar de ce nu-ti aduci aminte de greutatile petrecute la noi(ex: foametea din 46-47) ..." - cine a zis ca nu-mi aduc aminte, doar ca azi nu e aniversarea foametei din 46-47! #66 AzerothX, "... NEW INFO , North Vietnam a pornit asta! shiau facut-o cu mana lor cind au atacat vasul american Maddox ..." - new info? ahaha, ai intarziat cu 40 de ani XD Si da, Hitler tot a invadat Polonia pe 1 septembrie sub pretextul ca polonezii au distrus un post de frontiera cu al 3lea Reich. #67 TerrorSquaD, in China sunt investii din toata lumea, de aceea ca e atractiv pentru investori! #69 ursumarius, respect, ai perfecta dreptate. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #72 by McAndy (Lion) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:23:40 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] mai oameni... atacul de la pearl harbor a fost planificat in concordanta cu presedintia statelor unite.... poporul american nu vroia sa ia parte la razboi, Truman a vazut in razboi o sansa uriasa de a se imbogati.... ceea ce a decis implicarea poporului american in razboi a fost atacul de la pearl harbor, despre care s-a stiut si a fost planificat impreuna de japonezi si de americani... iar despre bomba atomica.... poporul american dorea razbunarea, truman n-avea incotro, daca nu lansa bomba atomica avea sa se demascheze tot planul asta bolnav si diabolic... exact aceeasi situatie cum si 11 septembrie Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #73 by ursumarius (User) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:24:29 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #70 AzerothX, bomba atomica nu omoara doar la moment #70 AzerothX, tu esti orbit de americani Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #74 by BlackCross (Raging Lunacy) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:25:25 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #70 AzerothX, "... atunci ce folos are bomba atomica ..." - sorry dar tu chiar esti defunct in gandire, au murit oameni civili, nevinoveti, care nu le pasa de razboi, care nu-l vroiau, care doar se bucurau de viata, si intr-un moment au fost stersi de pe fata pamantului, si cei care au supravietuit au avut de suferit chinuri cumplite, uite pe poze, de la radiatia ramasa. Asta s-ar putea intampla si cu tine daca conducerea tarii, pe care poate nici nu o sustii te-ar baga in razboi intr-o situatie analogica. Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte #75 by AzerothX (†ranœ ºverdosed) (0 mesaje) at 2007-08-06 13:27:11 (903 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link] #72 McAndy, eshti retardat , fara intrebare.Care imbogatzire bai , nu-mi spune k krezi sh tu in kktu` cela despre illuminati sh el de fel de masonism , 11 septembrie a fost cauzat de al-qaeda , nu mai datzi vina aiurea pe bush , NU FITZI RETARDATZI , va rog . #74 BlackCross, cum adik nu-l vroiau , ai fost tu acolo? nu ai de unde sa shtii !!!!! civilii tot sunt oameni , oamenii sunt demni de soldatzi! Mesaj util ?   Da   0 puncte

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